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i'm like, karen, i don't want to talk about it. she said i'm telling you we can win this. i said you've been here one year. you're a veteran. and she was right. >> been a real pleasure. lovely to meet you. >> thanks for having me. wonderful to see you. >> billie jean king. that's "anderson cooper 360" piers, thank you. dr. sanjay gupta tonight sitting in for anderson. tonight we're going to bring you a view of casey anthony you've never seen before. 360 has obtained video of casey when she was a little girl. five years old. it's a birthday caylee would never reach. as casey's defense wraps up, we'll wrap up the dramatic final day of testimony and dig deeper on two questions everybody seems to have been asking, would she testify? and then why didn't she? we begin, though, keeping them honest with new and troubling developments in a disaster both anderson and i saw up close. the nuclear catastrophe in fukushima japan. today's headline. the government recommending more evacuations. hard to believe, 113 additional households in four districts in
the city of date. that's far beyond the mandatory exclusion zone set up for 20 kilometers around the crippled reactors. these are newly designated hot spots. separately, according to a citizens group and a french ngo, trace amounts of radio isotopes have now been found elsewhere in children as far as 24 miles beyond that mandatory evacuation zone. additionally, this french ngo says it's been long warning that the allowable levels of radiation exposure set up by the government is simply too lax. this is something anderson and i and a lot of outside experts noticed almost from day one. bad news was consistently downplayed and delayed for days, sometimes weeks by the japanese government or the plant operator, tepco. you'll recall on the 11th of march, tsunami waves crippled these cool plants at the fukushima dive chief complex that exposed spent fuel -- two weeks later march 25th, green peace seentivities said they
collected enough data to judge this disaster a level seven. that's the worst kind possible. other experts agreed. but it took until april 12th for the japanese government to call the partial meltdown of through nuclear reactors a level seven disaster. as for people living nearby, the japanese government waited until april 11th to widen its danger zone beyond 20 kilometers. that's nearly a month after the u.s. government recommended americans living inside 80 kilometers of the plant either leave or stay indoors. and then there's this. >> we think there is a partial meltdown, but that as you correctly noted, that doesn't necessarily mean the containment vessel which is fail. >> that's energy secretary steven chu testifying before congress on march 16th. on april 2 he said that based on high radiation levels. 71% of the number one reactor core will be damaged. secretary chu is a nobel laureate physicist.
the day after this japan's nuclear agency said the core damage was only 3% and it would take until june 6 before japanese officials would reveal that three reactors at the fume fukushima plant experienced full meltdowns. a day later the government admitted the plant spewed out more than twice as much radiation as originally estimated. it's a lot here and credit for putting together this frankly troubling timeline goes to my colleague in tokyo, kyong law. i spoke to here about all of this along with former industry veteran and plant operator michael freed lander. >> time and time again agencies and organizations outside of japan have warned of these heightened dangers and weeks if not months later tepco and the japanese government finally admit the truth. what is your sense about this? are they purposely stalling? is it inefficiency or are they being inept? >> well, maybe a little bit of both, sanjay. in the beginning a lot of people
say, okay, perhaps they were overwhelmed, they weren't properly prepared as the aia suggested for the disaster and there was so much going on. but that pass has certainly gone by at this point. now a what a lot of people in the public are feeling is that it does an appear that they're either stalling or not being able to face reality. if you look at the timeline you just laid out and then you look at what's ahead, the fact that that is this cold shutdown that the government at tepco says will happen by the end of the year, most outside experts say that's probably not going to happen. >> if you break it down and look at all the various issues surrounding this, michael, what concerns you the most going forward at this point? >> sanjay, actually there are two things that trouble me. the first, of course, we've talked about this before is the snail's pace of progress. we've seen over the course of the last few weeks they've been able to make some pretty important headway in terms of cooling the spent fuel pools and
stabilizing the spent fuel pools. but functionally the reactors one, two and three are in almost the same configuration that they were in in late march. and quite honestly, an earthquake, a tsunami, a plant mishap such as a fire or an industrial accident could certainly set us back all the way back to where we were early in march. and potentially cause the situation where we have another significant release of radiation to the environment. you have to remember, too as well in this region of the world we've now entered the typhoon season. these plants are located on the east coast of japan so they are subject to the typhoons. the second issue that worries me, tepco had their annual general shareholders meeting on tuesday. all 17 of the reactors were re-elected to their position. the chairman was re-elected to his position. and so it seems to be a sort of a situation of status quo keep continuing doing what we've been doing for some time. >> yeah. it's interesting both at the industrial level as well as the
government level. i want to talk to you about that in a second. but kyung, one of the things i was trying to figure out even when i was there, do people believe they were exposed to nuclear risk longer simply because the government and tepco were not forth coming? >> did they put people at risk? >> absolutely. absolutely. if you talk to anyone who lives in that immediate evacuation zone or just outside the evacuation zone, there are still people living in their houses, they absolutely feel that was the case and that it is still happening. there's a group known as the fukushima mothers. they believe that government is continuing to put public health on the back burner. case in point, the children of fukushima city, there are about 34,000 of them, this september will start wearing dosimeters. they'll in effect become little mobile radiation detectors and monitors throughout the region. so what these mothers are saying, isn't this operating in reverse? shouldn't we act out of caution and then try to collect the data
to support that? it appears still, according to many of the people who live up there, that government is acting in reverse. >> yeah. i got to say, if those were my children i certainly would say the same thing. i mean, michael, at the government level -- and a lot of people may know this but japanese prime minister kahn barely survived no confidence a few weeks ago after saying he'd resign when the nuclear situation was under control. now, you believe that whole situation is affecting how his government is disseminating information. how so? >> well, you know, i'm not an insider. but from the outside i'm sort of taking a look at things as they've been progressing and where we see them going. you certainly have to consider the possibility as you suggested that the political system is affecting the way the accident from the way the recovery efforts from being managed. dragging things out he gets to stay in power longer. and it's certainly a situation that the longer it drags out, memories begin to fade, and then
after a period of time, of course, they can take credit for navigating the country through very difficult times. >> kyung, is there in your opinion any public trust left in the japanese government or tepco over this whole issue? >> as far as how people feel about the government and tepco, i can tell you that there is very, very little confidence. polls suggest a rooept recent poll suggested only 23% of the people approve of the government. and the approval ratings for tepco are even lower. they're in the gutter. on a recent saturday there were some 20,000 people who marched in the streets of tokyo. that is an extraordinary number in japan. that is something you never see. >> kyung lah, michael freedlander. thanks so much. >> we're on facebook. you can follow me on twitter @ sanjay gupta cnn. just ahead the casey anthony trial and what the alleged mistress says she heard. what krystal holloway says casey''s dad told her also
exclusive video only here on 360, what casey anthony said when she was a little girl. next up, though, drew griffin keeping them honest. tracking down doctors who prescribe powerful mind-altering drugs on the internet to patients they've never even met. first let's check in with isha. >> reporter: it looks like a movie chase scene but it's not. real drug smugglers making a real run for the real border. only in this case the border happens to be a river. we'll show you what happens next. that and much more when 3this [ bell tolls ]
dangerous drugs over the internet without a prescription. drew griffin has been doing some ground-breaking reporting on the subject for some time. he's uncovered dozens of these so-called rogue online pharmacist all of which have been advertising on google. sources tell us google is setting aside half a billion dollars to pay for what would be one of the largest such government fines ever, fines for accepting online pharmacy ads that break american law. here's drew now keeping them honest with the latest. >> reporter: it was a simple transaction. a woman addicted to painkillers in washington state goes online. googles her drug of choice. and finds the dealer to satisfy her habit. >> i just typed in soma and all these web sites popped up. and i just picked one. >> reporter: the addictive muscle relaxant arrives, no questions asked, with the prescription signed by a doctor she never met. this doctor, who lives on long island, new york, thousands of
miles away. >> did you ever see this patient, nancy fitzpatrick? can you let me know how these prescriptions are filled, sir? >> reporter: dr. karem tanos left without so much as saying a word. as cnn reported nearly three years ago, we know how this works. and it's helped to fuel a spike in prescription drug abuse that medical experts say has spun out of control. we went online and bought one of america's most abused drugs. it showed up left on a doorstep the very next day. and this is what is inside. it's prozac in its generic form prescribed to me by a doctor i've never heard of somewhere in tennessee. what's happened in the last three years since we bought those drugs? not much. dr. tanos still has a license to practice medicine. and online pharmacist like this one are still easily accessed and eager to sell their drugs. but that could be about to change. sources tell cnn the u.s.
department of justice is zeroing in on the one megasearch engine that has repeatedly been warned that it is facilitating all these drug addictions, google. >> we noticed that these were drugs that could be acquired without a prescription. the advertisement when you'd bang in on google you'd bang in vicodin without a prescription, oxycontin without a prescription and up would come the sites. >> reporter: joseph califano is now 80 years old, true washington insider. he was a former aide to lyndon johnson, cabinet secretary under jimmy carter. when he left government he found add public interest think tank devoted to fighting drug abuse. and in 2008, the same year we were buying our drugs online, the same year the woman south of seattle was buying hers online, joseph califano was writing to google telling their chairman and executive chairman, erik schmidt, that google was filled with prominent displays of ads
for rogue pharmacies suggesting that google is profiting from advertisements for illegal sales of controlled prescription drugs online. google says it stopped the practice last year and it's filed lawsuits against some of the online drug advertisers, but califano says these sites appear and thin disappear, often overnight. >> i wrote to mr. schmidt and asked him, please, you have to look at what's going on. why are we having such an explosion in prescription drug abuse among teenagers and kids? but where do they get them? >> reporter: google, he said, never responded. and google still isn't responding, telling cnn through a spokesperson "as this is a legal matter, we're not commenting on it". now cnn has confirmed google is inning through what could be the biggest fine in u.s. government history for allowing the illegal flow of pharmaceuticals through
its search engine. in an s.e.c. filing the company disclosed it was setting aside a half billion dollars to potentially settle a department of justice criminal investigation that involved "certain advertisers". sources confirmed to cnn those advertisers were rogue, online pharmacies that were paying google for its services. the real question califano is asking, why google couldn't have done something sooner. >> to me it's an example of putting profits over people. that's what we're talking about here. and it's bad, really bad, because it's kids. >> fascinating report, drew. let me ask a couple of questions, first of all why go after going em specifically they're not selling the actual drugs. that's being done by the rogue pharmacist. >> reporter: that's true. but google is getting money from this business in terms of the advertisements. secondly, sanjay, google has been warned about this by many
different agencies and others, and they've been able to watch our reports, but i think what your seeing here is a real acknowledgement that, you know what? law enforcement is pretty much helpless to stop this without industry cooperation. there's just too many of these pharmacies. they're too hard to prosecute on an individual base is. and unless google and other internet providers police themselves, i don't think police stand a chance. >> drew, i want to sharing is interesting with you as well. there was a study done by mass general hospital in usc california showed that states who had the fastest expansion of their high-speed internet systems back in the early 2000s also had the highest rate of hospital admissions for drug abuse. i found this really interesting. many people say that suggests these online pharmacist could be a big factor in the prescription drug problem overall. for one second i want to show you some numbers as to how big a number we're talking about here. according to the national institute on drug abuse about 7 million people using
prescription drugs for non-medical reason. in 2009 ant 3% of the population. nearly one in 12 high school seniors report non-medical use of vicodin. one in 20 say they used oxycontin. what's interesting, drew, is that 59% of those high school seniors also say they got the drugs from a friend or a relative. which brings up another question. as you've been pointing out in your reports, it's so easy to buy these drugs online. but if the pharmacies start to shut down, can people get term from their family or friends pretty easily? >> they certainly will. but i think it's the proliferation of the ease of getting these drugs. and even people who want these drugs, let's say a doctor predescribes them. but the prescription runs out. they're addicted. they want to keep it going so they turn to the internet to keep that going. and they bring those drugs into their homes for their children to pilfer through or their nephews and kneeses to get. so i think it will slow the problem. it will not end the problem.
look, prescription drug abuse in this country is huge and growing. but it's also very, very accessible online. >> and the numbers still just staggering. i know you know these, but 36 million people bought these drugs from online pharmacies. and many of them for legitimate reason. buying quality drugs at a cheaper price because they're so expensive. i did a little reporting on this as well for 60 minutes and found that many of these medicines being sold by online pharmacist are actually counterfeit drugs made in illicit labs seas. so you can't -- overseas. so you can't be sure they're safe to take. one example, pfizer says that counterfeit versions of their drugs have made it to pharmacies and hospitals in six different countries including england, canada and right here in the united states as west so it's not just a question of easy access to these online pharmacies. it's also a health and safety issue as well. >> absolutely right. but you know what, a couple of years ago the fda tried that route warning people about buying these drugs online. it didn't really stop that. message did not get across. so people are still trying to
access these online pharmacist even with the risks, sanjay. >> i my parents do it as well in part because of the high costs. a fascinating report. drew griffin, many thanks. >> reporter: thanks. coming up, breaking news. new developments that could blow the sexual assault case against the french diplomat dominique strauss-kahn to pieces. we'll tell you about it. plus the defense rests in the casey anthony trial after a dramatic day of testimony. what jooe's alleged mistress said on the stand today. plus an exclusive look at home video that 360 has just obtained. it shows casey anthony
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breaking news tonight. the sexual assault case against former imf head dominique strauss-kahn may be in real trouble. a defense source has toll told cnn there are serious credibility issues with the housekeeper who claims he attacked her in his new york hotel swooelt. jeffrey toobin has just spoken with a member of the defense team. susan, you've been talking to your sources. what is the nature of these credibility issues? >> well, our sources are being very protective about what they want to say about this. but suffice it to say that information apparently that she has been providing to police is very troubling. so much so that reportedly -- and this is according to the "new york times" -- that prosecutors reached out to members of the dsk defense team today and had a meeting with them to discuss some of these credibility issues that my sources tell me currently exist with the hotel made at this point.
this is a woman that we all have to remember that police investigators, nypd, have repeatedly said was extremely credible in their view, that they got forensic evidence in the case from her and that they were standing by what this witness had to say. but of course, as these investigations go on, by both sides, both police investigators and members of the defense team, they look into various aspects of this case. and evidently some information has turned up that is troubling. now, specifically the "new york times" is reporting that among other things that a day before this woman talked with law enforcement officials, that she had had a conversation with a man who had been jailed in which she allegedly discussed the possible benefits, as the "new york times" put it, of pursuing charges against him and that this conversation was recorded. like-wise, the times is also
reporting that this woman, maid who made the allegations, also there were problems with the asylum application that she had made before she came to this country from africa. and which things didn't quite match up. and suffice it to say that when they go into court tomorrow in a hastily arranged court hearing, a source close to the defense team tells me that they will be asking the judge to modify the bail that has already been in place for dominique strauss-kahn, asking a motion, rather, to modify it. remember, he's already posted $1 million cash bond as well as a $5 million bond in order to be put under house arrest and be released from rikers jail. so we shall see what will happen in court tomorrow. but i'm told it should be something. >> i mean, this is happening. this is ongoing right now. again breaking news about the dsk case.
jeffrey, originally reported in the times but you've talked to the defense team as well tonight. what have you heard? >> reporter: well, this is just an extraordinary, extraordinary development, considering that this case was brought with such great fanfare by the manhattan district attorney. and they very loudly trumpeted the credibility of the accuser here. and the credibility appears -- and i hayes haste ento say appears to have collapsed. what makes it even more extraordinary is that evidence apparently shows dna evidence of a sexual encounter between dominique strauss-kahn and the woman who's the maid. yet even with dna evidence the prosecution is considering dropping the case. that shows how bad her credibility may be, that even with dna evidence they may not be able to bring this case. it's a shocking, shocking development. >> so jeffrey, does that
essentially mean that they're not saying that the sexual encounter did not happen but this is just all about the credibility of this maid? >> no. this is the thing that is so incredible is that obviously if there is dna evidence involve semen a sexual encounter did take place. but even with the dna evidence, because the credibility of the accuser, the victim is still at issue they may not be able to bring the case. her credibility may be so bad that even with dna evidence they still may not be able to bring the case. >> susan, i know this is all transpiring even as we're talking. but have you heard at all about what this means more immediately for strauss-kahn? could he possibly be released from house arrest as a result? i think susan -- jeffrey? >> sanjay, i can answer that. the answer is yes, that's what tomorrow's hearing is about.
he is out on bail, but he's restricted to house arrest. they may seek to have him released on his own recog recognizance where he can go wherever he wants as long as he doesn't leave the country. that's a major major change. >> so the overall impact, how quickly could this all possibly transpire? we're talking tonight is thursday. how quickly does this all potentially happen? >> reporter: well, certainly the bail issue will be dealt with tomorrow. as for whether the case will be dismissed all together or there might be lesser charges, i suspect that will take longer. >> all right. jeffrey, thanks so much. susan candiotti as well. just ahead, the casey anthony defense rested today. her lawyers never did put her on the stand. but you're going to see and hear her tonight right here in exclusive new video that 360 has obtained. first isha is back with a 360 news and business bulletin. >> reporter: the fbi is trying to figure out if a man who stowed away on a new york to la flight last week just wanted a
free ride or was up to no good. he got through security and on the plane without a proper boarding pass. no one noticed until passengers complained about his body owe do. he was detained and released but was arrested yesterday when he tried to board a delta flight from l.a. to atlanta without a valid boarding pass. after being criticized by the president yesterday, there will be no vacation for the u.s. senate next week. they'll be off on the fourth but then it's straight back to work on the bill to raise the debt ceiling and spending cuts republicans are demanding. army general david petraeus will be the next director of the cia. the senate vote to confirm him was unanimous. petraeus now commands coalition forces in afghanistan. he will succeed leon panetta, the new secretary of defense. the man panetta will replace, robert gates, got a presidential sendoff today. he is the only secretary of defense who has served a republican, george w. bush, and a democrat, barack obama.
and the newest royal sensations will and kate, she is w catherine, the duchess of cambridge are in canada tonight. it is the first official trip abroad. they'll be there for nine days with stops across the country. but more than 1300 journalists are following their every move. 1300. what's there to say? >> just a romantic getaway. newly married and 1300 of us in the media following them around. are you going to be one of them, by the way? >> no. i'll be here to bug you instead. >> never a bother. stick around, a pretty incredible video. this is our shot tonight. it comes to us from time magazine's latest issue. amazing video of the never-ending battle against drug smugglers. you're going to see and hear customs agents chase a truck full of drugs and the incredible getaway. take a look. >> eastbound they'll turn for the river and they'll drive against oncoming traffic. they'll do whatever they can. it's the most unsafe to try to cause us to stop chasing them.
during these pursuits, the suspects are throwing out homemade spikes that are disabling vehicles. we've had 10, 15 cars disabled in a matter of a few minutes in these pursuits. they'll drive the vehicle, usually it's stolen noorkts rio grande river. >> the mules we call them are waiting on the u.s. side for the truck to bail into the river where they can start offloading the dope onto the rafts. >> and they'll break out the windows, they'll open the doors and they'll take the narcotics from the vehicle and take it back to mexico. >> unfortunately, the grande on our side has nothing they can do to stop it. >> just incredible. that really puts it in perspective. first you saw them driving on the other side of the road and then literally driving that right into the river. and they had those people busting out the windows to get those drugs back. they'll do anything to try and secure those drugs. >> yeah. those rain credible pictures. and homemade spikes? i mean, just incredible.
just the level of detail and preparation that they have in place to try and evade capture. just incredible footage. >> we talk about this a lot, but the pictures like this really give you a new perspective on it. you can watch the whole video as well produced by photographer charles schwartz. up next, the casey anthony defense rests without putting her on the stand. is that going to help her or hurt her when the jury deliberates? but the same jury incidentally did hear from the woman who claims shoe had aaffair with casey's father and that he told her little caylee died in an accident that spiralled out of control. and "anderson cooper 360" has exclusive home video of casey anthony. you're going to see a completely different side of the woman accused of killing her 2-year-old daughter. st: uld switching to geico reallyavyou 15% or more on car insurance?
in crime and punishment tonight, what can you say? a huge day in the casey anthony trial. the defense rested its case today, and casey did not take the stand. among those final witnesses, though, casey's mother, father, brother. the defense's end game included testimony about how the anthony's family pets were buried. and earlier in the day, george anthony's alleged mistress was on the stand testifying about their affair, an affair that george denies they had. what she says george told her about caylee's death. we have the latest from today's testimony in just a moment. we want to show you a 360 exclusive home video we just obtained from casey anthony as a
child herself. this fris a classmate's birthday party casey went to in orlando in 1992. she would have been almost six years old. here you can see cindy anthony actually dropping her off. and here you can see casey. she's the one with the braid in her hair right over there. at the party all the kids wished their friends a happy birthday on camera. here's casey. >> happy birthday. my name's casey. >> wait a minute, casey. i didn't get to you. >> happy birthday. my name's casey. >> it's a rare look at casey anthony as a child. that's home video obtained exclusively by "anderson cooper 360." now, all these years later casey anthony's life is on the line, in her own murder trial. a trial that is almost over. martin savage was in the courtroom today when the defense rested after some pretty dramatic testimony. he has the latest. >> reporter: after three years of investigation and 32 days of testimony, it came down to five
words. >> your honor, the defense rests. >> reporter: for attorney jose baez and his legal team, no more witnesses, no more evidence, and above all, no testimony from 25-year-old casey anthony. >> and it is your decision not to testify? >> yes,sir. >> okay. have you had ample time to discuss this matter with your attorneys, that is the pros and cons of testifying or not testifying? >> yes,sir. >> and has anyone used any force or pressure in making you arrive at that decision? >> no, sir. >> okay. and that decision is your decision freely and voluntarily? >> yes,sir. >> reporter: instead it was another woman who the defense hoped would support their claim that 2-year-old caylee anthony wasn't murdered but died the result of an accident, covered up by casey and her father. >> the defense calls krystal holloway.
>> reporter: holloway the defense claims had unique access to the truth through casey's dad. >> did you develop a relationship with mr. anthony? >> yes,sir, i did. >> and was this an intimate relationship? >> yes. >> and did mr. anthony go to your home or your apartment? >> it was my home. and yes, he did. >> about how many times did he go to your house? >> maybe 12. >> reporter: and it was a one night in her home she said george anthony broke down. >> he was sitting on my couch. and i was sitting on the floor. and he had told me -- he had said it was an accident that snowballed out of control. but i was in shock. and by the time i looked up, his eyes were filled with tears. and i didn't elaborate. i didn't ask him anything further.
>> did -- was this before caylee was found? >> yes,sir. >> reporter: on cross-examination, prosecution attorney jeff ashton said holloway told police she never had an affair with anthony. suggesting she manufactured the story to sell to the media. >> and the story is much, much better if you're actually having an affair with george, right? it's much more sensational. >> i did have an affair with george. >> but you would agree that story is much sexier if you're actually having an affair with george than if you're just a friend. >> that's not true. >> reporter: ashton also got holloway to admit that in his breakdown, george anthony wasn't confessing his own role in his granddaughter's death. >> so they specifically asked you whether he said he was told about it or it was something that you believed. >> overruled. >> you told them he didn't say that. he said like he knew.
so george made it clear to you that he did not have first-hand knowledge of what happened to his granddaughter. that was the context of what he said, wasn't it? >> object. the statement speaks for itself. >> overruled. >> correct. >> reporter: then the case took another strange turn. as jose baez began asking george anthony about a number of dead family pets. >> did you have a dog named man mandy in ohio, sir? >> the focus was not on how the animals died but how george would bury them, often wrapped in plastic with tape. >> when you found out that your granddaughter was found and with a blankett and with a plastic bag and with duct tape, did you tell law enforcement at any time over the last three years that that is the way you used to bury your pets? >> reporter: but with cindy anthony on the stand, the prosecution pointed out crazy
also knew the ritual. >> definitely by the time she's a senior in high school she was aware of the burial and the method of burial in the yard? >> yes, ma'am. >> reporter: cindy anthony was also the focus of legal arguments today. casey's mom has said that she was the one on the home computer searching information on chloroform. the prosecution wants to introduce employment records they say show cindy was at work that day. the day ended with jurors reading the suicide note george anthony wrote when he attempted to kill himself six weeks after caylee's body was found. in it instead of confessing to her death, a broken-hearted grandfather wonders who could have done such a thing. and in the close writes "caylee, here i come". martin savage, cnn, orlando. >> we're just days away from now the jury getting this case. now the defense has rested, the judge says the prosecution's rebuttal witnesses will probably be done friday with closing arguments starting saturday morning. and then the judge will give the
jury instructions. and he says deliberations will probably start saturday afternoon. and those jurors are going to have a lot to talk about. earlier i spoke with sonny hosten from "in session" our sister network true tv and linda kennedy badon who was casey anthony's former defense attorney prior to all this. >> linda, you used to be casey anthony's attorney. first of all, do you agree with the decision today not to put her on the stand? >> oh, absolutely. you know why? when this trial first started i thought that she had to go on the stand. that was my opinion after i listened to the opening statement. and yes, jose baez promised it and yes, it wasn't proven. but after the amount of mistakes made in this trial and i think reversible error if she gets convicted by the death penalty, i would have made the decision if i were the attorney there today not to put her on the stand. it was simply too dangerous, too much to give up. it was the best decision he made for his client. >> did the defense accomplish what you think they wanted to or set out to? >> reporter: well, in terms of proving the abuse, no.
in terms of proving that there may be reasonable doubt in the issue of the first degree murder conviction, i think absolutely there's a lot for the jury to work with. because remember, that duct tape was very, very important. what they did show is that that duct tape had been moved in some manner, that you can't trust it. if you can't trust the duct tape you can't trust the death penalty conviction. >> son nirks let me ask you about that as well. last night you said you thought she would take the stand. how about you? were you surprised? >> i sure did. i am surprised. that is because of what jose baez said in the opening statement. i always used to give these really big opening statements when i was a prosecutor. my superviers would say sonny don't write a check to that jury they can't cash. you better have the evidence in the bank account. i felt that jose baez wrote a very big check when he accused george anthony of sexually abusing casey anthony, when he said that caylee died an accidental death by drowning. where is the evidence of that? the only person that could have given that substantive evidence, that affirmative evidence was casey anthony. now his check has bonsed with
this jury. i think he's lost all credibility with the jury, and i think that spells trouble for this defense. >> but he did raise a lot of confusion, though, which may have been part of the point as well. also jurors heard from krystal holloway, sonny, who allegedly had an affair with casey's father. she claims that george anthony told her caylee's death was an accident that snowballed out of control. did you find her credible overall? >> you know, i really did. i found her very credible, especially when you juxtapose her testimony today with george anthony's testimony the other day. i found him to be very combative, and his denial was very e fusive. he said something like, oh, i find that funny. and i think when you look at the two together, it's pretty clear that on balance, she wins that battle. and i think what's very important to note about that is the judge is going to instruct this jury, sanjay, that if they feel that a witness is lying about a particular piece of testimony, they are entitled to disregard all of the testimony from that witness.
and where does that leave george anthony if just one juror thinks he's a liar? >> one thing that came up that we talked about this before, linda, was about the chloroform. tomorrow there maybe records that are released that prove that cindy anthony was at work and therefore not able to make the computer searches she claimed to have made searching for chloroform among other things. how big a deal is that in those records? >> well, i'm sure the defense is probably working with their expert tonight to say those records are not a big deal because somebody else could have inputted her time sheets, could have shown she was at work. but i have always thought, sanjay, the issue with the chloroform was a red herring for this reason. her boyfriend at the time had an ad or comedy act type ad on his site. maybe it was a picture that said win her over with chloroform. i thought the reason they should give for searching for chloroform for any member of the family is to see whether or not the boyfriend could be making chloroform for her, chloroforming the baby. i never thought that was a big deal. i'm surprised about the turn at trial where everyone is fighting over the searches.
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stay two weekend nights and get a $75 prepaid card. comedian stephen colbert has won approval to start a political action committee. afterward he joked i do not accept the status quo but i accept visa, master card, the american express. the fcc today approved colbert's superpac which will let him raise money and buy tv time for political ads. smart move, fcc, if there's one thing you don't want it's a feud with stephen colbert.
although i have to say when that opportunity presented itself to anderson he didn't shy away as you'll see in this the ridiculist classic. >> all right, time for the the ridiculist. i got to admit i struggle tonight whether or not to add this person to the list. but i decided in the end that enough is enough. so tonight we're adding a man by the name of steven colbert to the list. at first i must admit i'd forgotten who steven -- what? colbert? really? you're sure. the t is silent. stephen colbert, apparently. my team of p.r. professionals tell me i have been on mr. colbert's show but i have no memory of that. i put sean hannity on the the ridiculist a clip of me on air which was edited to change what i said. mr. colbert took issue and accused me of copying him. he went so far as to create something called the absurd you chart just to put me on it. look.
>> you, sir, are nothing but a thief! because your segment, the ridiculist, is a clear ripoff of my on notice board. and for stealing my idea, i'm putting you and your ridiculis on my absurdu chart. >> words hurt, mr. colbert. words hurt. the idea that i'm copying you is redonculous. i cannot believe it you of all people say i am copying you when in fact, sir, that's right, sir, i'm going there, it has been you who has been koipg me for years. that's right. i said it. i you exhibit a. here you are on the cover of the current issue of "outside" magazine. like you ever go outside. but oh, wow, where could you have come up with the idea of being on the cover of "outside" magazine. could it be from me? one year ago, april 2010. there i am. look. i'm on the cover of "outside" magazine.
not since i woke up disoriented smemer of toner in the kinko's have i seen such copying. far be it for me to say -- exhibit b, here's your ben and jerry's ice cream flavor, stephen colbert's american cone dream. a big seller i'm told. sounds pretty good. vanilla ice cream with fudge waffle-coned pieces. where could you have gotten my idea? my ben and jerry's ice cream which came out years ago? anderson cooper's white bread ripple? little chunks of vanilla, a swirl of gin and a hint of tonic. may not be as well-known as yours, sir, but it does have a brisk business in ken any bung port and locust valley late july to early august. i admit your absurd-u chart was very funny continually when you used peanut butter to affix my picture to an actual chart. i thought that was actually inspired.
>> there you go. boom! mm. mm. how's that taste, anderson? i assume like peanut butter. i haven't even checked to see if you had a peanut allergy. the ratings feud is on. i await your next move. >> now, i know if i was one of these other cable anchors i would try to keep a ratings feud going with you. it would get attention, get ratings, be mutually beneficial. but i'm willing to let by gones be by buy gonzales. as we all know at the end of the day everyone goes to sleep after the daily show anyway. so here's to you, stephen colbert. love your absurdu chart and proud to have you on tonight's the ridiculist. pass the peanut butter, please. >> a braver man than me. we've been to a lot of war zones
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